Thursday, February 02, 2012

Fakir Lalon Shah on Mi'raj


( Arabic: الإسراء والمعراج, al-’Isrā’ wal-Mi‘rāğ -ascendance to Heaven, Night Journey)

ফকির লালন শাহ /Fakir Lalon Shah

নবি মেরাজ হতে এলেন ঘুরে, বলেন না ভেদ কারো তবে ||
The Prophet went to Mi'raj, and said not a word to anyone upon his return

শুনে আলী কহিছেন তখন- দেখে এলেন আল্লাহ কেমন |
On hearing the news came Ali and asked - "how is Allah in your estimation? "

নবী কয় - ঠিক তোমার মতন করো আমল 'আমি' বোলো যারে ||
the Prophet answered - 'just like you, contemplate on your 'You' and you will know"

এসে আবু বকর বলে - আল্লাহ কেমন দেখে এলে |
then came Abu Bakr and asked - "what did you make of Allah when you saw him....

রূপটি কেমন দেবেন বলে নবি বলেন - তুমি দেখো তোমারে ||
....and how would you describe his looks?" - the Prophet answered ... '"Look at yourself."

তারপর কহিছে ওমর- কেমন আল্লাহ আকার প্রকার |
then it was Umar's query - "what is the size and shape of Allah?"

নবি কয় - ঠিক তোমার আকার আইনাল হক তাই কোরান ফুকারে||
the Prophet answered -"as in the ultimate truth in - YOU as in the Quran"

পড়ে জিজ্ঞাসিল উসমান গনি - আল্লাহ কেমন বলেন শুনি |
and then came Usman Ghani - "how is Allah please tell me?"

নবি কয় - যেমন তুমি তেমন ঠিক পরওয়রে ||
the Prophet answered -"like you - so is your Creator"

নবী মেরাজে গিয়ে যে ভেদ তিনি এলেন নিয়ে |
from Mi'raj in contemplation the Prophet returned

নবিজি যা বুঝাইল চারজনা চরমত - প'লো লালন প'লো মহাগোলে ||
the Prophet explained Allah in four opinions- and Lalon received only a circular celestial 'zero'

ফকির লালন শাহ /Fakir Lalon Shah

Wednesday, February 01, 2012

Fakir Lalon Shah on Aleef Laam Meem


ফকির লালন শাহ - Fakir Lalon Shah


আলিফ লাম মিমেতে কোরান তামাম শোধ লিখেছে |

In Aleef, Laam, Meem the Quran is written with all credits


আলিফ এ আল্লাজী মিম মানে নবী লামের হয় দুই মানে

In Aleef it is Allah, In Meem the Prophet and Laam has two meanings


এক মানে হয় সরাই (শারিয়াই ) প্রচার আরেক মানে মারেফতে

One is the doctrines of Sharia, the other is Marifa


তার দরমিযান লাম আছে ডানে বাম আলিফ মিম দুইজনে |

In between Laam in our right, Aleef on the left and Aleef- Meem conjoined


যেমন গাছ বীজ অঙ্কুর এইমতো ঘুর না পারি বুঝিতে ||

like trees, seeds, and buds are on a spin we cannot comprehend


ইশারার বচন কোরানেই মানে হিসাব করো এই দেহেতে

like the grammar of signs (indications) sum up the Quran in your body


পাবি লালন সব অন্নেষণ ঘুরিসনে ঘুরপাকে ||

find your yearnings, oh Lalon - do not be trapped in a spin.



Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Facebook Discussion: Was fAKIR Lalon sHAH an Agnostic? - Part 2



Part 2 of the ongoing discussion on the subject : 


Habibur Rahman - 26th January: Dear Maqsoodul Haque, your comment comprises with multiple topics and to address all these matters, I think; at least a thin book is required, which is beyond the scope of this forum. Still, I will try my best, if Allah permits me, to express, step by step, my succinct or precise opinion on some of the most fundamental points you raised. At the moment, with your permission, I am suspending my original contention on Lalon, with which I will conclude my discussion later.



Among other things you raised, three fundamental points on which I am going to express my opinion : #



1. On technique, method, procedure to enhanced our spiritual energy/experience; 

2. Nature of Truth, the relation of Truth with our experience or category of Truth; and most importantly your metaphysical proposition `All in One and One in All'. Today I am going to discuss only on the topic of technique, method or procedure.

Whoever wanted to be a philosopher, scientist or a spiritualist, following a particular tradition, discipline, technique, method, procedure or a course of action is sine qua non or essential to achieve the desired end. But it should be kept in our mind that they are not end in-itself but only means to some certain ends. In the spiritual journey, these means have two objectives, one is immediate and the other is ultimate. The immediate objective is to achieve Unity/Tawhid within ourselves, i.e., unity of our Mind, Body and Soul along with our mission, vision, feelings, thought and action. When every parts of these elements works in harmony with all the other parts then we can say we achieve the Unity/Tawhid within ourselves. But remember it is not the ultimate objective.


3. The ultimate objective of our spiritual journey is to carry the divine spark, pure and unadulterated; to its source. Now let me allow to describe some stages of the spiritual journey. 


A spiritual journey usually starts with the awareness of the fact that we are living in a world full of deception, delusion and illusion. When an adept/novice becomes aware of the fact, he starts his quest for the Truth. This is philosophical stage. in this stage, he examines his life, the things he encounters in his material, social, political and environmental settings; carefully to know the real structure of the things. But soon he finds there are absolute barricade or limitation beyond which his senses, intellect, reason and understanding cannot transcend. S/he comes to know: s/he is living a life between two ultimate ignorance, i.e., what was before his/her birth and what will be after his death. In the material world s/he finds organic beings gush forth from inorganic material and return to it without leaving any trace or mark. S/he don't know what is the nature of life (the force by which the living beings are as such), what is the source/destiny/purpose of life. Here is the death of a philosopher and if s/he continues, then s/he gives birth within his/herself, the Theologian. 

Thank you for the moment, to be continued...


Mac Haque - 26th January: Dear Habibur....what a beautiful posting.. I am simply spellbound! I have absolutely not one word in disagreement or contentions to add. Please proceed - I am anxiously waiting for what you will say next. Thanks a million.


Habibur Rahman- 26th January: Dear Maqsoodul Haque, before I proceed further, would you please be kind enough to let know whether I am correct in selecting the three points you raised, especially on the Metaphysical proposition : `All in One and One in All', about which I am not certain, because you said actually : `ONE in ONE, our ALL in ALL', in this point, I think, I misread, please give some explanation on this point.


Mac Haque - 26th January : Dear Habibur - I will get to the Metaphysical proposition [...in more details] after you have finished. Trust me, the 3 points you have to so lucidly embarked upon, makes me feel that you have many gems to offer during your discourse. Your approach is so fresh and original that in the 24 years spent as a Lalonist, I seem to be able for the very first time to connect and have a clearer concept. It would be a shame to interrupt your flow at this stage.


[..briefly] The ONE in ONE ( I and I)  and the ALL in ALL comes from the Rastafarai religion of Jamaica, you can say they are the South American Bauls. Its biggest exemplar was the Late Richard Nesta ( Bob) Marley and in very many ways I meant what he said in his epic song Get Up Stand up ( 'Dont Give Up the Fight') :



"Preacher man don't tell me heaven is under the earth

I know you don't know what life is really worth
Is not all that glitters is gold and
Half the story has never been told"



and then the real punch line which shook the world:



"We're sick and tired of your ism and skism game

Die and go to heaven in Jesus' name, Lord
We know when we understand
Almighty God is a living man"



This I thought connected well with what Lalon Shaiji had already said over two hundred year ago.




"Jejon dibyo gyani hoi/ shei jantey pai

যেজন  দিব্য জ্ঞানী  হয় / সে জানতে পায়
Only they that have deeper knowledge know 


Koli joogey holo manush oBOTAR(Avatar)/

কলিযুগে হলো মানুষ অবতার/
In the era of 'Koli' - man evolved to Avatar
Manush gURUr nishtha jar
মানুষ গুরুর নিষ্ঠা যার/
The gOD in mAN is in the yearning of those


bHOBEY Manush gURUr nishta jar"

ভবে মানুষ গুরুর নিষ্ঠা যার 
those that live in the in the aura of the gOD in mAN 



I will surely expand on this at a later stage.



It may interest you to know that there is an authentic Lalonist '"Bengal Baul" chapter in the US comprising all Americans and they practice the philosophy as seriously - or maybe more seriously than we do :)



Kind regards and jOI gURU /\

Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Facebook Discussion: Was fAKIR Lalon sHAH an Agnostic?


Thread from an ongoing Facebook discussion on Fakir Lalon sHAH and agnosticism.


1. Tarifa Najmina: 23rd January -  "For Bangladesh the year 1991 passed uneventfully in our willful exclusion of an epochal event of historical significance. It was the death centenary of the agnostic sage Fakir Lalon Shah......." from the book, Bauliana by , Maqsoodul Haque.

2. Tarifa Najmina: 23rd January - habibur rahman , abdel mannan, mac haque ,is Lalon Fakir an agnostic sage ?

3. Habibur Rahman: 23rd January - Dear Maqsoodul Haque, It seems you epithet Lalon as Agnostic (অজ্ঞেয়বাদী). I wonder whether it is deliberate or unintentional mistake with the epithet Mystic (অতিন্দ্রীয়বাদী). If it is deliberate, would you please give us some explanation about what do you mean by the term `Agnostic', and why do you think it is applicable for Lalon?

4. Mac Haque ‎: 24th January - Dear Habibur...it would all depend on what your perception of an agnostic really is? অজ্ঞেয়বাদী doesn't precisely describe agnosticism in its spirit - at least not in the English language, where it would mean more or less a 'vague-ist' .Perhaps you will care to tell me. …and I will take it forward from there.....thanks

5. Habibur Rahman: 24th January - Dear Maqsood Haque and Tarifa, we were talking about whether Lalon was an Agnostic or not. Let me place my understanding of the term Agnosticism. In the epistemological branch of philosophy, grossly we can divide the subject matter of our knowledge into two classes: things that we can know by our senses i.e., the book on my table and things that we can know by our reason, i.e., the sum of two sides of a triangle is greater than the third side.

There are also some ideas we use in our everyday life such as Allah, Soul, and Humanity. The question is whether we can assert that we know Who/What is Allah (God) in-himself or Soul in-itself? Relating to these matters the question arises whether a person is agnostic or gnostic. Now, an Agnostic believes that in the present existential condition of the human being, in this present four dimensional time-space boundary, Human Being cannot assert that he knows Allah or philosophically speaking the Absolute Truth, because in the present situation we cannot prove or disprove such assertion.

Moreover, an Agnostic can be believer or disbeliever. Socratics says: `What I know is that I know nothing'. He was an agnostic and referring his ignorance concerning the ultimate matter about which he asserts his believe.

Immanuel Kant in his Critique of Pure Reason elaborately explained that by our reason we can only know which are within the time-space, but God is God, who creates the time-space also, and what is not within the time-space, reason cannot know it. Kant is also agnostic but believer.

Thank you for the moment, I will try by best tomorrow insha Allah, why Lalon was not an agnostic but indeed he was a Gnostic, in Arabic equivalent of the term is `Arif'.


6. Mac Haque: 25th January - Dear Habibur, thank you for your kind inputs on agnosticism. I am very impressed by the depth of your knowledge and am sure have lots to learn in the process. My thirst for knowledge is insatiable and now that I have a brother who knows Arabic (I don't) - I am really excited!

To the course of our debate/inquiry in the loftiest tradition of Ijtehad, I like Socrates would submit that 'What I know is that I know nothing'. I agree in totality your understandings of Agnosticism which are classical - but in the realms of spirituality – we all know are not above inquiry or questions. I am a novice student in the new domain called Contemplative Science - which I have coined in Bangla - তপস্যা বিজ্ঞান (Tarifa please help correct my usual faulty Bengalee!)

To begin my first port of call will be the concept of truth as we know it.

Clearly for an agnostic there is no such thing called truth and Lalon sHAIJi in my limited understanding personified it himself in the Great NO - or 'La'. So what may be - or is there anything at all called the Great YES?

Truth for AN agnostic is a perception, and as we all know (and not that you have to agree) perceptions are what they are, perceptions: they do not or cannot indicate TRUTH. In Bengalee I have often used the term অনুমান কখনো প্রমান বলে গন্য হতে পারে না. Truth as I am inclined to believe is dynamic, re-creative and pro-creative with interaction and pro-actions its driving wheel. It goes beyond the principals of cause and effect.

What our ancestors knew as the truth has by now been rendered obsolete - even redundant. As an Honorable Advocate of Law, you will agree that Courts have historically hanged men to death under the premise of what they thought then, that the evidence suggested strongly a mans unqualified guilt. Yet over time; time itself has recorded that the entire process of gathering evidence was flawed, even unscientific - and a perfectly innocent man has been 'killed' in the gallows. Here TRUTH as we know it was/were the evidence - and the evidence then was beyond any sphere of doubt the TRUTH, yet today we know they were not.

Likewise, try as we may to convince each other, posterity may (or may not) judge our very sincere engagement on Facebook as sheer wastage of time and space :)

Agnosticism as I know it, is neither believing nor disbelieving. It’s like an open safety pin - sharp and vulnerable when open, safe and rounded when in unison of circularity. It is acknowledging and appreciating our left and right - and knowing that cohesion comes only when the two meets up with the one - our intellect - or 'akel'. It is neither stereophonic nor monophonic - but quadraphonic.

It is the surrender of the center by the dual. It is our physical supplication as demonstrated in 'sajood', in that we understand our left and right - but not our center, the head, that must be grounded (as in electricity) for current to flow its full course. It is in confirming within our physical being that wherever they are in pairs - ear, eye, nostril, hands, legs, lungs, kidney, down to our testicles- there are usually nothing that would be a consistent bother of any kind in the short run.

It is wherever they are in singular that we have to handle insurmountable obstacles.

Starting with our mouth, oesophagus, liver, stomach, genitals, and orifice - we do know and live with the issues on a day-to-day basis. It is only in aligning plurals with the singular over the center - with the spine and the two great organs, the brain and heart that have multiple chambers, to the global axis of poles (as in magnetism) that our equilibrium our ONE in ONE, our ALL in ALL - aLLAH, Bhagwan, Iswar, gURU, Boddhisatava – whatever - can be positioned - the importance of Sajood, Bhokti or prostration is defined.

The hypothetical ONE therefore is the sum total of the combined plurals on the singulars.

Like a ship has constantly to check its coordinates to North/South/East and West via the stars up above, so has man in his day to day existence. The process of surrender is exemplified for as we kneel and prostrate 'due West' (in case of those of us living in the East) - its is only to appreciated that as per the fundamental principals of polarity and rhythm juxtaposed with the principals of mentalism - equilibrium to the great YES 'maybe' discovered in exercise of our limited free will. That however is an individual experience and defies explanation, for each experience then is very private, unique and personal. ‘Sacred and secret’ starts here quite unnecessarily for one simply cannot explain it or put in pen or paper (keyboards in these enlightened times!).

It is precisely for the above, in my argument and conjecture that I prefer to use and interpret 'Salah', from one among its many meanings in Arabic - CORRECTION. Merely hitting our forehead hard on the floor and leaving ugly scars in our forehead denoting our 'Naamazi' status is not at all the intention of ‘Salah’ in my reckoning!

It is possibly the 'straight path' mentioned repeatedly in the Quran...and two 'insane' thoughts for everybody's simpler rumination:

1. The straight path is not being on either side of traffic - but walking on the traffic divider! In as much as we can see clearly the left and right - we can walk anywhere from North to South/East to West or vice versa - without any interruptions or - importantly 'traffic jams' of any kind!

2. Unlike trees and plant we are upside down creations. Our 'roots' are in our hair - that comes out of our skull...our brain?

Ending right here before it gets to bore everybody - as and when we eventually move to Lalon sHAIJi and whether or not he was agnostic- in my limited understanding of Gnosis in the realms of Arabic etymology, I would prefer to use the word 'Ihsan' and perhaps you can correct me?

I have also reasons to believe that we need to understand Lalon sHAIJi in the domains of 'Maarifa' (Marefot) which I prefer to use the term 'extelligence' - as also the so-called 'super-Maarifa' or 'Walaya' from where the word 'Wali' possibly emanated?

Thank you for your time and patience Dear Habibur.

jOI gURU /\

Wednesday, December 14, 2011

Dispelling myths abut sexual practices of Bauls

Babukishan Das Baul

Tantra mantra yantra vs Tantra as Sex.....

"Many of the Bauls practice a type of psycho-physical manipulation or tantric yoga which emphasizes control of sexual union, the purpose of which is to enable the couple to achieve a break with phenomenal existence, to escape the endless cycle of death and regeneration, and to achieve a state of eternal stability or samadhi. This practice involves the retention of semen during intercourse and ingestion of bodily secretions..."

This is not the focus of what a Baul is. There is nothing wrong with this description of Sacred Sexuality, however, you will see this over and over again like a broken record as if this is the only focus, of what Baul is?.... There are many false things written about the Bauls and so many false Bauls, it is really difficult to get to the truth or to know who is a real Baul. If this is all writers seem to write about Baul then Bauls will be extinct faster than thought. Baul is a beautiful ecsatic mystical lineage and most of the PHD holders took their research from this lineage given only a very limited point of view and now they are trying to teach the lineage Bauls what Baul is?? It takes years and years if not a lifetime to learn Baul philosophy, Baul songs, Baul poetry, Tantra and Yoga.. it is not simple or easy. Just as real Yoga is not simple or easy. The Tantra Bauls practice has nothing to do with the Neo Tantra of the West. It is a mystical shamanic Tantra. I call Bauls the Rasa Lila Mystics because they take the juice and hold it inside of themselves, they distill this juice only keeping the very best of all practices, they keep what works and grind and polish it into a beautiful play.

Baul is about love and devotion, Bhakti Yoga and deep Tantric sadhana, the real Bauls spoke sanskrit as this is the way the oral tradiition is transmitted, they sing their songs in Bengali so the villagers can understand, because they were not necessarily Sanskrit speaking.


Because of this repeated nonsense as stated in the first paragraph most writers copy and paste and do not ever write that Bauls are poets, philosophers of all things Indian, that they worship Radha and krishna in their hearts, that there is a lineage of Bauls going back to and originating thousands of years before Sri Nityananada of Ekkchaka West Bengal India, Jai Nitai who was Sri Chaitanya's best friend.

Nitai was a Baul an exalted Avadhuta, history was rewritten. The stories of the lineage are within the songs of the lineage because it is an oral living lineage not a book translated lineage. We are writing books to preserve all this and set the record straight but it is not an easy task and will perhaps take years.. Bauls should come from a living lineage of Baul, parampara, they should know and state who wrote the songs, be honest. Nityananda from Ekkchaka West Bengal is Babu's ancestor he is the ancestor of the Vaishnava Bauls.. There is very limited knowledge about this because the truth has been so distorted from modern reformers with big printing presses amongst other things. The Bauls message is for all people and is especially necessary to todays world but that does not mean the message should be watered down or distorted. Of course Baul also changes to adapt to the world but it is in desperate need of being preserved accurately.

Writers are focued on sex..sex sells very easily.. there is a freedom this implies and it looks attractive to become a Baul, tantric sex all day, smoking ganja.. singing, dancing and begging for money, no sadhana?? This is definetly not Baul....this is a distortion making the Lineage Bauls extinct.Bauls are free birds in that they are seeking ecstatic union (yoga) with their beloved Radha and Krishna, Shiva and Kali. This takes place through their lineage songs which are seeds of higher philosophy, this is where their union comes from, you can feel it, you can hear it.. and if you do not you are not listening to a Baul. The body contains the God's and Goddess's in the alter of the heart.. This is the tantra, this is the technique, this is their samadhi, this is their God/dess intoxication. Baul is about high level philosophy it is not about the mundane.

Baul songs are not folk songs, they are seed songs of higher philosophy, one must know the discourses that go along with the song.. Babu listens to what Bauls are singing they are either singing his family lineage songs or are singing folk songs, some sing his lineage songs but shorten them thus destroying the meaning. A real Baul usually will not tell you anything, therefore, this is a good opportunity for the fake Bauls to dress like Bauls and when a scholar or a reporter come to Bengal they usually have interviewed fake Baul on philosophy of Baul or the reporter or scholars usually focus on one aspect and because they have a PHD they are considered authority..

My question who owns the truth about the Bauls a scholar or a lineage Baul from the lineage.. who is the authority??.Wikipedia or a lineage Baul.. PhD's or lineage Bauls....Should not the authority on Baul be the lineage, should not the scholars on Baul be the Baul, the problem is Baul is almost extinct there are only a handful of lineage Bauls left Babukishan aka Krishnendu Das Baul being one.

It is a huge task to try to preserve this lineage if not impossible... so in the meantime this leaves the door open for all sorts of nonsense.. These neo Bauls like the neo Tantrics and neo Yogi's of the east and west only tell the person a very limited view of Baul from copy and paste, then they repeat the same thing over and over again, copy, paste, copy, paste.

It is surprising to Babu that even people he has known write the wrong things about Bauls. Even more surprising the number of people he has taken to Bengal, talked about his lineage with who have either made films or wrote books and they do not even thank him, cut him out completely and thank the western scholars. There is one professor from the US who had him sign paper to get university grants for her to study Bauls only to cut him out completely, everybody wants funding and what a great thing to do get the funding through a lineage Baul then interview and write about the neo Bauls...... this is very disrespectful and is creating such a distortion in the history of what Baul really is.There are very few real Bauls left, they are almost extinct.Wikipedia is completely wrong on Baul, it is very general and again repeats the same scholars who have distorted Baul in the first place.

Bauls are Poets, Philosophers of all things relating to Indian Yoga, yes they are Tantrics but one has to understand what Tantra is, Baul is so much more than sex and so is Tantra. Babu's grandfather was a wellknown Tantric at Tarapith in the 19th century.

Tantra is shakti sadhana, tantra is the science of light, the science of life..Tantra is technique, techniques on how everything is put together.. Tranta Mantra Yantra... formula, technique, for instance Babu is an expert of the Tantra of Indian Music and sound the technique using a scientific formula to bring the Dieties to life through sound. ..

He is also a master the smashan grounds as he was born into this sadhana from his grandfather (not all Bauls are this kind of Tantric, only the avadhuta's are) ..... .. When talking Tantra in the west it is always about sex.. why, because sex sells.. it is really disrespectful to the Indian people how Tantra is dumbed down all the time..... as Tantra is a Sanskrit word, it originates in India, so Tantra is Indian.. If one wants to be a Tantric learn Jyotish first, learn sanskrit, learn Ayurveda, learn Mantra..learn Shakti Sadhana...

There is so much misinformation on Baul it is really a comedy..

Baul is first and foremost Bhakti Yoga... music, kirtan, chanting, singing baul songs, Sadhana, meditiation, it is an oral tradition ... one needs a huge memory..Baul is the Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads. Never will you see this mentioned because sex and smoking ganja attracts people.... go online and research Baul.... Hard work and sadhana does not attract people, 12 years of Sadhana with a Guru does not attact anyone.

Yes tantric sex, the technique is part of Baul but this is only a drop of what is real Baul, just as asana and meditation are part of Baul, a Baul does not reject anything, they embrace all knowledge yoga ect. ... This practice as described as being Baul at the beginning of this article is meant to be between only sadhaka and sadhika, it is only meant to be between husband and wife... never shared with others, it is private in a commited relationship of soul mates.. and really is not central theme of what Baul is..?? but yet it is mentioned over and over again.. It is not Tantra as taught in the west by experimenting with different partners, there must be love and those parnter should be soul mates..as in the Baul tradition.

Bauls also do yoga postures in private, Babu's grandfather used to generate so much spiritual heat he used to meditate under water on the bottom of a pond.. Do Baul writers ever mention this, do they ever mention it is an oral tradition, or mention sanskrit, or mention the upanishads, do they ever mention 12 years of sadhana before one goes out and sings publicly. Do they have respect for the tradition or mention Nabani Das Baul whose songs they sing. Yes some are translating the songs, do they know who wrote the songs???

There is so much infighting within the Bauls it is all being distorted, many are making up stories calling names, creating something new. Baul has always evolved but within a context. It is really sad for Babu to see what is happening with his lineage, bauls singing Bollywoods songs, or folk songs calling them Baul songs. He has no problem with folk songs or Bollywood songs but please do not call them Baul songs and do not mess with a rich ancient tradition.

The Bauls that came from Bangladesh who changed their names and are now saying they are from a 4 generation of Baul can not be.... because Baul in Bangladesh only started with the Great poet Lalon Fakir.. the sufi origins of Baul, 1774ñ1890, suddenly they have come from Bangladesh to Bengal as refugees, and changed their names to Das Baul and saying they are 4 generations... Das Baul is only from Bengal and is the Vaishnava lineage.Fakir aul sai darbesh is sufi it is not Baul.. it is Fakir, Sai, Aul, Darbesh (Dervish).Baul is not about singing folk songs.

Below is the main description of Baul you willl see.. it is like modern Yoga being described as Asana, gymnastics.. ect.. The Body is not the sole organ of all experience as a means to knowledge..Parampara is.. the Guru is.. The Guru to the Baul is the ultimate, this is a Guru Parampara Tradition. The oral tradition is the means to knowledge, the oral tradition has been transmitted for thousands of years throught Sanskrit, the Bhagavad Gita... all knowledge of Yoga, Bhakti Yoga is the sole organ of experience, this statement is a huge fundamental display of misunderstanding..??

"The term "Baul" refers to various groups of people in Bengal (the Indian state of West Bengal, whose capital is Kolkata, and its neighbor, the sovereign state of Bangladesh, whose capital is Dhaka) for whom the body is the sole organ of all experience and means to knowledge. Many of them practice a type of psycho-physical manipulation or tantric yoga which emphasizes control of sexual union, the purpose of which is to enable the couple to achieve a break with phenomenal existence, to escape the endless cycle of death and regeneration, and to achieve a state of eternal stability or samadhi. This practice involves the retention of semen during intercourse and ingestion of bodily secretions..."

"Babu say's, why come to Baul, go to sex education, why even come to Baul, do not destroy Baul by the misconceptions, mostly all Phd on Baul are completely wrong.. "

Baul is inner connecting to the divine in a ecsatic mystic way, it is not about outer, grab a partner try some Psycho physical manipulation, this is such a gross misconception and it is really boring and a huge insult to the authentic Bauls. To a Baul the Guru is the path, the Guru passes on all knowledge through the oral living lineage that is thousands of years old.. You can feel the whole universe inside of you that is Baul, as above so below..

The original authentic Baul will never tell you their sadhana, only paramapara will know in that you can guess that who writes about Baul is completely wrong..they may know a few things but to be a Baul is to be an ocean, way beyond what is out there in print.. Baul is an oral tradition.

Most Bauls sadhaka's do not even have sex, they are sadhu's... so what do you call them Not Baul??? connection of the supreme God/Goddess through love not through this so called Psycho physical maniputation... It is about the soul...about soul mates, monar manush.. Bhakti Yoga..

Bhakti Yoga.. Bhakti yoga.. street singers, bards, minstrels.. are Baul.

They were the newspaper before the newspaper singing Hare Krishna every morning to the villagers as a wake up call.....all we hear in the west or by western writers is sex sex tantric sex.. give me a break.. or also by people who are not Bauls or people including Bauls who are trying to attract unwitting fools.

Baul is about love love love, never is it about some physical manipultion... Bhakti Yoga..And the problem is the person who wrote this and is talking for the Bauls should know better???

Link

Monday, August 29, 2011

Facebook Discussion with a faceless scribe: The Corporatization of Lalon

[Sharing an interesting ongoing discussion with a ‘faceless anonymous scribe’ on Facebook – Despite his anonymity, which I respect, he appears to be not only knowledgeable but very curious about recent developments, corporate exploitation of our culture and its possibilities, and the future of the Baul movement in Bangladesh. Anonymous Scribes comments are in red.]

Mac Haque

I think the larger problem is the middle class always stepping in into issues concerning the Bauls (or for that matter anything!) without having done their homework. It has always got to be so-called 'conscious activists' who are indeed the elite with pro-people hypocrisies and are one way or the other connected to the Media Mafia who are set upon to project themselves rather than the issue in hand or Bauls really - that can and will lead on to a major calamity.

Piece meal solution or tokenistic solutions can never be part of a larger solution. The solution espoused by the Bauls is a.) Confront the monsters by making mincemeat of their interpretation of 'holy verses' and b.) Confront the monster lurking deep within our souls.

To imagine that some of us urban folks even dare say that we are around to 'protect the Fakirs and sHADHUs' is patronization of the worst kind. The Pangsha incident was caused by an inept Fakir who couldn't handle or had the merits to handle the 'morar agey morey jawa' (die before death overtakes you) philosophy. He sent his wife to the village to collect money for his 40 day ritual - when rituals as such are not in any way part of our belief system.

When challenged by the Mollahs he couldn't defend himself - what a crying shame for someone claiming to be a ‘Fakir’? Left unreported was post the incident, the Fakir was reprimanded by other Fakirs and sHADHUs and he begged apology.

For centuries the Bauls have had their own 'secret defense system' in place. You need to study the Fakir Sanyasi Rebellion , indeed the catalyst for all the pre-partition anti-Brit movements. It has learnt historically that security is never discussed in public.

I see your point about the buzz post the protest, but in all practicality, there is no guarantee that something similar would not happen again and no one understands that better than the Bauls themselves. No one needs to come forward to defend the Bauls, cause the Bauls themselves do not believe they are vulnerable...there is no such thing as a 'death proof security'......... and if that's what our middle class worries about, its really their worry, and their problems.

Bauls have nothing to do with pretentious people and can clearly and literally see through them :)

Anon

My bad. Pangsha. I see your point about Lalon philosophy being a meticulous lifestyle practice and not the latest fad the urban youth are treating it as. I read your piece from the attached link. Enlightening to say the least.

I stand corrected on the point that Lalon philosophy was never in danger of extinction no matter how things looked from here. I also value your concern that unwanted attention could jeopardize the Bauls. But what about the political value of the urban enthusiasm? I mean no great justice was achieved but it created a buzz and people spoke out for the rights of these agnostic Bauls 'living in the periphery'. In the term of a Islamist govt. (read BNP-Jamaat) the assault on Bauls could become widespread and would go unnoticed by the authority if the middle class do not interfere. The incidents in Raajbari may cause the oppressors to think twice. So the unwanted interest may not be all that unwanted or could it?

Mac Haque

I am enjoying your queries and have never at any stage considered them rebuttals :)

To be honest, Bengal's bhaabbad is unique and unparalleled in the history of the world, and perhaps one among many reasons that the UNESCO in 2005 listed it as an "Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity" and just not Bengal!

That said, there has always been a genuine curiosity in our belief system in the West and many academic works available. In the short run we may feel that it is being 'obliterated' due to the influx of foreign media, but Lalon simply cannot be viewed in isolation. He was never an island in the first place, and I think we should rather avail this opportunity that is coming our way and do all we can to spread his 'message'. That message is really not about his music, but the complex and hard to understand philosophy, the syncretism of faith and belief which is embedded within his gems.

Being at it for 28 years, let me assure you I have just been able to scratch the surface - perhaps. My study for the last 4 years have been to understand the first three recommended chapters in understanding Lalon i.e. the Trittotyobad or 1. Noor Tattya (Discourses on Light) 2. Nabi Tattya (Discourses on the Messengers) an 3. Rasool Tattya (Discourses on Prophets). Just getting through the first 3 chapters (and around 50 songs in the process) I had to not only study the kORAN, but also try and understand Maarefot and Fakiri Islam...all within the Sufi i.e Tusawwuf Schools of Thought. I have another 8 chapters to go before I can say I have learnt anything - and don’t ask me how many years it will take me :)

It really wasn't to Seuria that our city bred "Baul Supremacist" went to. They would have been thrown out....it was to Pangsha in Rajbari and you may like to read this piece:

Anon

Well, after correcting a faceless guy's overzealous assumptions, you're certainly due to get some answers. A very general query at that. I am a student at NSU doing my BBA. I should have finished it two years ago. :-)

Just to clear it up, my role in this discussion is that of an ignorant fool who can only ask questions and expect to learn things if you care to reply.( Thanks for the link btw) So please do not take my counters as rebuttals, rather they are more of queries.

To repeat a cliche, our culture have been invaded by Indian and Western elements. More so in the past 10-15 years than the whole of last century. Had it not been for this renewed interest of the urban middle class in Lalon, don't you think it would inch towards a solely academic and regional existence? Taking into consideration the fact that many of our native cultural aspects are being obliterated as a result of people's exposure to foreign media.

Groups of urban people went to Chheuria to ensure the continuity of the Baul rituals a few months ago, after the shadhus were impeded by local authority. Do you see the renewed interest playing some part behind the formation of public opinion?

Mac Haque

If you are talking about survival than Lalon and his music has done so for over 200 years without any need for sponsors or patrons. It goes against the very spirit of our belief system to think that Lalon needs to be on anybody's piggy back. Indeed quite on the contrary, it is doubtful whether the corporations themselves will survive another 50 years? What they are essentially doing is enlarge on their client base - and we are talking here of over half a million active Bauls, and over 2 million adherents to the belief system. And they are just too arrogant not to admit it :)

With the intense studies and research going on sHAJI, I seriously doubt the corporations would be able to take on the rigor of the philosophy and life style. You can take a peek at my work here.

If I am not being too curious - what do you do for a living?

Anon

I've been thinking about it albeit with very limited knowledge (not being modest). To justify our indifference, art can be viewed and practised separately from lifestyle and for the survival of any art form, people must get involved, one way or the other. Guess I’m being the devil's advocate here. :-)
Mac Haque

The corporatization of Lalon has been going on for well over 5 years, and the sHADHUs have precious little to say about it. Neither do I :)

Anon

Thanks for taking the time out to reply. I had read this letter a few days ago but could not make out the hints properly and thought maybe the coporatization of Lalon in our country was behind your grief. Thanks again.

Mac Haque

Not at all – please read this link:

Anon

akta proshno kori. onumannirbhor proshno. hashshokor shonanor shombhabona achhe. ichchha hole uttor diben.

apnar BAMBA chharar karon hishebe ki corporate'ra mainstream band diye lalon gawano k money korte pari?


Thursday, August 04, 2011

Facebook Debate: Those that do not say prayers are Apostates and should be killed? Part-2

Recently concluded debates with Anik Bin Ashraf (his comments are in red italics)

4. Excellent points Anik!

If the doors of Ijtehad are still open than why is Saudi Arabia despite all its wealth and fact that most monotheistic pROPHETs were born in the country, still has such a lot of social morbidity? Human rights, freedom of expressions as enshrined in the kO’RAN are still grossly violated, women – our mothers and sisters still looked down upon as filth, treated like crass animals, even denied an opportunity to drive a car among others? What is most striking is no less than the US supports them – and this in turn ensures that the Abbasid/Umayyid cohorts still rule roost, still derails all egalitarian possibilities of Islam. Therefore as far as I am concerned, if we are going to look at Saudi Arabia as the center of Islam or even an example, our woes will never end.

The Wahabis declared ‘war’ on the Sufis for in essence; the later are the ones that actually propagated plurality of Islam that led to billions embracing the faith. No pROPHET came to our part of the world, and the reason why we are Muslims today is NOT because of the Wahabis or their predecessors – but Sufis – who taught the highest level of Ilm-e-Tusawwuf. The Abbasid/Umayyid and Wahibi and their agenda of Jihad-e-Qitl (as opposed to the lofty ideal of Jihad-e-Akbar) led not only to madhabs but Islam today being divided to over 70 firqas. Ijtehad was never the ideals of Wahabis, it was ‘kill cause you do not agree with me’ period. That madhab and firqas were the necessary outcome – for no other reason – but survival.

NO the pROPHET explained nothing – if he did we wouldn’t be arguing today. He didn’t make it easy for us, instead insisted on the study of the kO’RAN and to leave it to our faculties (akel) to understand. kO’RAN is NOT the last word of gOD – it is the last time gOD has communicated with man. It continues to be radically interpreted on both right and left – but most unfortunately NOT in the center – our brains, where it is direly needed. There is no coercion in Islam simply because the human brain hadn’t evolved 1500 years back to ‘understand’ the book, neither has it today. And even while it (the brain) has evolved to the techno-cyber level it is today - try as we may, it is still is an empty hard disk with less that 15% of space occupied! There are no directives In the kO’RAN to either study, trust or believe these Hadith. The pROPHET forbade even what he uttered to be recorded, for he knew over time they will be misinterpreted and they have been misinterpreted.

Despite the over 100,000 pROPHETs of mankind, Muhammad is the ONLY one who has a historical axiom. It surely is a blessing that other than his grave, his house, his utensils, clothes – even parts of his beard have been preserved – giving credibility to the existence of the man. But more than that – the words of gOD revealed in the kO’RAN through him for mankind by Gabriel is preserved largely intact if not unblemished due to the interference of man.

Question: if ‘graves’ are not worthy of worship – then why has the ‘grave’ of pROPHET Muhammad been preserved? What have the billions of faithful who have flocked the site done in 1500 years if not 'worship’ – when the kO’RAN specifically states – ‘the best Muslim grave is one that mixes with the dust and leaves no trace’? Did ‘Muslims’ err after the death of the pROPHET? The answers are historical and have nothing to do with either religion or spirituality.

Finally, where the Sufis are misunderstood is not in their radical interpretation of the kO’RAN or challenging the existing status quo, but in their seeking to find, examine and understand the deepest and arduous efforts and meditation of Muhammad for over 15 years in the caves of Mount Heera that led to the kO’RAN being revealed, and Islam being born. If that is appreciated and understood, no Hadith as such is required! Thanks - Mac H

3. Alright Mac bhai...let me just share my views...Imam Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab (from him/his time Wahabi term started) is from 18th century!! Ijtihad is still going on, sholars are actually continueing to do so. Rather all the madhabs are results of ijtihad which came around those 400 years! Soofi dorbesh people cant stand Ibn A Wahhab and Saudis because he with the help of the al-Saud family (as they were the rulers then as well) went in jihad to demolish graves which were being worshipped by soofis. They still exist. And Quran is complete but use of Hadith is a must which no way belittles Quran. Otherwise why would Prophet explain it, if it was clear to general audience?

My point is...time n again...u emphasized more on studying Quran itself...whereas I explained Hadith as an effective tool to understand Quran....so, fundamentally....I don't see much difference boss...:)

2. Dear Anik Bin Ashraf - I do not claim to be a know all and surely there is no end to human mistakes and human learning. That is a process that must continue from cradle to the grave. We have a lot to learn from each other and the bigger respect from you will be earned, if you be so kind enough to share where you differ with me.

I can see that most friends of Wasim are deeply religious and that fills me with pride. However where we all perhaps go wrong is we do not examine spiritual angles to belief and this mix up and muddle creates most confusions. There is none to blame here than our legacy of misinterpretation that has derailed Islam and made laughing stock out of Muslims. I am an agnostic - born a Muslim, and therefore respectful of all religions and belief systems. When Muslims are derided, let me assure you - it pains me no end. But is that really the problem of Muslims, Islam or the kO'RAN?

Our problems started 400 years after the death of the pROPHET when the doors of Ijtehad (arguments/debates/inquiry/logic/reasoning etc) where closed by the Wahabi sect of Saudi Arabia and their poison of supremacist, zero centric and misogynist interpretations has brought us to the state where we are in. It is time we all put a stop to it - because if we do not, before long all of us will be condemned to the pre-Islamic Ayyam e Zahiliya period of infamy.

Brother, you are a soldier of this great nation, and remember you swore allegiance NOT by any Hadith - but by the kO'RAN and the flag. I salute you for the same and invite you for further debate on the subject. I want to learn. I am not here to teach anyone a thing or tow as I do not want to be known or remembered as a 'preacher' or a Mollah. Islam does not permit a clergy class ! Regards - Mac H

1. Dear Mac bhai....I consider it to be an honour for me to learn abt yr reservations on my thoughts....it's because, I had always been a big fan of yr songs....

I won't drag this issue further, as becoz, I have respect for what our brother...@ Samsi Arifeen narrated....to avoid muddling it further...However, with all due respect....I also beg to differ with u at many points that u brought out....n I think there can always be a healthy debate if our purpose is to enrich ourselves by learning...regards...

Friday, July 29, 2011

Facebook Debate: Those that do not say prayers are Apostates and should be killed? - Part 1

by Mac Haque

Dear Anik Bin Ashraf - I beg to differ with your points. (in red below)

In your first paragraph you make several points from Hadith traditions that lays harsh punishment (mostly death by execution) for those that oppose the 'Scholars' views - without taking into cognizance that most of these Hadith are spurious and made to further the political and commercial agenda of the Umayyid and Abbasid after the death of the pROPHET.

What you then state as the 'most correct' is again attributed to Hadith Scholars. Anybody believing in all that nonsense in Hadith, would make it appear as if the kO'RAN is incomplete - or it needs 'scholarly' interpretations to hold water. What travesty!

You talk about apostasy and advocate the execution of anyone who opposes the views of the Scholars. Yet if you care to read the History of Islam, you will note that THERE IS NOT A SINGLE INSTANCE of anybody being put to death during the life of the pROPHET on ground of 'apostasy' or even blasphemy. Even one of his script writer who was charged with recording the wahi from aLLAH and who went behind the back of the pROPHET and ridiculed him publicly was also NOT punished, not even by by death. Also there is no instance of anybody being 'stoned to death' for committing adultery. It was a Jewish custom which was neither part of Islam nor in its practice.

It is more than a little surprising that all 'Muslims' live and die by what is written in Hadith, making kO'RAN almost 'obsolete' - without realizing that the book has come for all mANKIND for all times to come. Challenge any of these so-called scholars to support their contention with verses from the holy book - and they quickly bury their heads in the sand. The fact is they do not study the kO'RAN on the four mandatory stations - Shariat, Hakikat, Tarikat and mA'AREFAT... and there are altogether 25 other stations in Islamic 'filsufah' - from which the word philosophy was derived.

On Salaah, there is only reference to 'dayemi Salaah' (or remembrance of gOD at all times) in the kO'RAN and not a word is mentioned about 'wakhtia Salaah'. The whole interpretation of the word Salaah has got to be taken into consideration in its esoteric and exoteric context - the zahiri and batini - together with its hidden depth. Just going through the punishing calisthenics of hitting the forehead hard on the floor five times a day, and making huge scars to proclaim a 'Namaazi' status - is fool hardy and doubtful if aLLAH would be appeased by the same. The hate in our heart where we sanction murder for those opposing us has condemned Islam to the backbench of progress.

Last if not the least - talking about how big a 'Namaazi' we are or performing Salaah in public just to impress others is the worst form of Shirk (sacrilege). What is between us and aLLAH is purely private, secret and sacred. Man simply cannot judge fellow Man - that is the job of aLLAH really.

Nothing ABOUT aLLAH resembles humans. He is sexless, formless, speech less etc etc. The worst Murtads (apostates) are those that believe or have started believing, that the way we THINK is also the way aLLAH thinks?

aLLAH wants us to study the kO'RAN and the book by the way is neither a Harold Robbins titillating thriller or a Facebook update that we read and 'instantly understand'. aLLAH wants us to use our mid cerebral faculty - our 'akel' (reasoning/intellect) to understand and appreciate the munificence of the words of the kO'RAN.

It is simple but not easy. It is easy to be complicated but quite complicated to be easy :)


Anik Bin Ashraf

The scholars have differed concerning the Muslim who deliberately neglects salaah without denying that it is obligatory. Some of them say that he is definitely a kaafir who has gone beyond the pale of Islam. He is considered to be a murtadd (apostate) who is to be given three days to repent – if he does not, he is to be executed for his apostasy. The funeral prayer will not be recited over him, and he will not be buried in the Muslim graveyard. The greeting of salaam is not to be given to him, in life or in death, and his greeting is not to be returned; prayers for forgiveness and mercy for him cannot be offered; he cannot inherit, neither can his wealth be inherited, instead it is to be given to the Muslim treasury (bayt al-maal). This ruling applies whether the number of people who are neglecting their prayers are many or a few.

This opinion is the soundest and most correct, because of the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “The difference between us and them is salaah. Whoever neglects it is a kaafir.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad and the authors of Sunan with a saheeh isnaad); and: “(Nothing stands) between a man and kufr and shirk, except prayer: (whoever neglects it becomes a kaafir and a mushrik).” (Reported by Imaam Muslim in his Saheeh, with other similar ahaadeeth).

The majority of scholars said that if a person denies that prayer is obligatory, he is a kaafir and an apostate from the religion of Islam. The ruling concerning such a person is as described above. If he does not deny that it is obligatory, but he neglects it because of laziness, for example, then he is guilty of a major sin (kabeerah), but he is not considered to be beyond the pale of Islam. He should be given three days in which to repent. If he does, then al-hamdu lillah (praise be to Allaah); if he does not, then he should be executed, but this is a punishment, not because he became a kaafir. In this case, he should be washed (ghusl, after death) and wrapped in a shroud (kafn). The funeral prayer should be offered for him, prayers can be offered for forgiveness and mercy for him, and he should be buried in the Muslim graveyard. He can inherit and be inherited from. In general, all the rules concerning Muslims who are sinners apply to him, in life and in death.

Wednesday, July 20, 2011

"Moner Manush" by Gautam Ghose

Discussions on Facebook Adda Group

Mac Haque:
Sudipa Bose and Babuji Bose thanks for your points.

Essentially the first unforgivable mistake that Gautam Ghose makes is to get into the unnecessary dilemma/debate whether sHAIji was a Hindu or Muslim and there have been no less efforts over 200 years to make either of him. The whole concept of 'jaat' which Lalon resisted and stood up against - became somehow very central to the movie. It is a disservice to Bauliana and one which will be met by stoic hurt among practitioners.

The movie revolves around Lalon's childhood and it would appear as if this is old Lalon's first person account to Jyotindranath (I hope I have got the name right as also Tagore's nephew?) is a hackneyed version and more colorful ones are available on the Net. However there have been significant ground breaking research since and Gautam Ghose could have well looked at them.

On Shiraj sHAI There are no historical records of a man by name of Shiraj sHAi ever being in existence. He was a dARBESH (dervish) not a fAKIR - and that’s an allegorical term of reverence - 'shey-raj-sHAI' or 'the King of Enlightenment' meaning gOD himself - the largest lamp that will keep lighting smaller lamps till end of times. Therefore bringing sHIRAJ sHAI to 'life' is a mere attempt to cater to convoluted hypothesis of the sHADHUs of Harishpuir, Harinakundu - and a larger attempt to make a Muslim out of sHAIJi.

sHAIJi's parents too have been reduced to a farce. His adoptive father was not a weaver, but a Maulana (prayer leader) and herbalist. Matijaan has been depicted as an ordinary woman, a housewife. She was not. She was a fAKIRAANi and indeed Lalon's spiritual mentor. Lalons' knowledge of Arabic and kO'Ran came from Malaam, and mA'AREFOT from Matijaan.

In a round about way Lalon’s grounding on the stations of Shariat came from his father and mA'AREFOT from his mother. Both are complimentary and cannot be viewed in isolation. The metaphoric Shiraj sHAi as far as I am concerned is an allegorical and strongly spiritual culmination of both his parents. That sHIRAJ sHAI never existed is argued by sHADHUs on the following hypothesis:

if Lalon sHAIJi ordered the entombment of his father five years before his own death, and his wishes for his mother to be entombed likewise besides his own grave were carried out by followers five years after his death - why then would there be no sign, no shrine of Shiraj sHAi in existence anywhere in Bangladesh?

The songs in the movie were picked and placed in random without any understanding of the grounded, practiced and perfected structures of Lalon philosophy and its appropriate paradigm/placement during sHAIJi's time on earth and the correlation of each verse to the levels of spirituality which briefly goes as below

a. Trittotyo Baad: 1. Noor Tattya 2. Nabi Tottyo 3. Rasool Tottyo

b. Pancha Leela: 4. Krishna Leela 5. Goishtho Leela 6. Nima Leela 7.Gouro Leela 8.Nitai Leela

c. Then the high, higher and highest engagement or Desh: 9. Sthulo Desh 10. Proborto Desh 11.sHADHOK Desh and the supreme 12. sHIDDHI Desh or enlightenment.

Without understanding of all 12 levels as above which essentially makes it the core and essence of Bengal's Bhaabdbaad - Lalon or his philosophy can never be understood or explained.

On Rabindranath Tagore: Historically there are no records of sHAIJi and Tagore ever meeting face to face. It couldn't have happened in those feudal time...Lalon was a proja (subject/serf/servant) and Tagore a Zamindar(landlord) - and there are stories among bAULs that sHAIJi refused to board a palanquin sent by Tagore to fetch him!

Aside if the two ever met, this would have certainly been recorded by Tagore himself, not his apologists....

The sketched portrait of Lalon is also a myth. Again no historical records of any portrait of sHAIJi being in existence anywhere in the world - painters in Bangladesh agree with me on this one.

Two portraits are in circulation. The first one with sHAIJi sporting a hair bun, has striking Aryan features, high cheek bones, sharp nose and chins - the other (the one we saw in the movie) shows sHAIJi with Mongoloid features. The problem with both portraits is other than the difference I mention - were made by two nephews of Tagore.

Question: How could two blood brothers come up with two completely conflicting portrait of the same man?


Sudipa Bose: Saw the film recently, as an uninitiated viewer liked the film, Prasenjit was impressive, the strain of spirituality was palpable, not having read the book by SG nor having any depth of knowledge or information about Lalon Fakir; found the narrative engaging. But can understand the sentiments and responses you have posted here Mac, often with historical narratives the line of distinction between truth and imagination/interpretation​/presentation becomes very thinly etched. The cinematography is quite outstanding, as is with most Gautam Ghosh films.

Babuji Bose: Will entirely 2nd Sudipa's views ... with the add IMHO, that whilst the film focuses on Lalon the man, not his philosophy, as Mac says, but I felt the 20 odd songs do bring out his wltensachaung, though of course they have to be interpreted right - for which over to you, Mac bro :-)

BTW Mac - are the points (1) and (2) historically factual, minimalistically for the second

Keep shining ...

Watched the Moner Manush DVD this morning. I admit that it was long over due, however with anything to do with Fakir Lalon sHAH, I guess I always exercise a bit of patience and wait till the dust of controversies has settled down.

In the meantime have read one too many critiques, reviews and general comments on the movie and some of it was worrying. Several sHADU friends who had seen the movie found it disturbing - so in deference to their sentiments, I couldn't be less cautious.

Over all as a movie, the screenplay, casting, cinematography and choice of location was fabulous. Some of the songs, specially those rendered by my gURU Bhai Latif Shah were a class in themselves as it captured the rusticity of the Nadiya dialect and essentially the 'bhaab' of the songs.

However in the case of the females, they fell short. 'Jekhaney sHAIr bAARAM khana' by Farida Parveen was a nightmare - a hugely put-on voice that irritated me no end. I am sure if Gautam Ghose concentrated and looked for female voices other than a 'name brand' that has fallen out of fashion in Bangladesh in recent times, he would have been surprised. That in turn would have lifted the renditions to greater heights.

As far as spirituality is concerned, the movie was a disaster as there was more emphasis on Lalon the Man than his message. Since it’s a fictional account based on Sunil Gangapadhay’s novel (I have read very few of his books and essays so not in a position to speak for or against the man!) - I would have let it pass, but there were two historical sore points benchmarked quite unnecessarily.

1. The identity of Lalon - which the young Lalon admits in the first person, was that of Shonaton

2. The implied patronization by Rabindranath Tagore's family. The movie ends with a subtle message that had it not been for the largesse of the Tagore family granting the land in Seuria where Lalon's ankhara was situated then (as even now) - the Bauls would have disappeared given the forces opposed to the fraternity, is the final seal. Turns out there are no historical land deeds to support the contention!

Both emphasis therefore defeats the purpose and lofty ideals of Bauliana.

More later

Mac Haque